<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><rss xmlns:atom='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' version='2.0'><channel><atom:id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1347983019543188275</atom:id><lastBuildDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:07:25 +0000</lastBuildDate><title>CHRISTIAN SEXUAL ETHICS - What's Right? What's Wrong? And Why?</title><description>Christians Talking About: Polygamy, Polyamory, Swinging, Nudism, Adam and Eve... Join the discussion!</description><link>http://christianstalkingaboutsex.blogspot.com/</link><managingEditor>noreply@blogger.com (Tom Gruber)</managingEditor><generator>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>4</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1347983019543188275.post-7729430237035908250</guid><pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-08-04T10:17:25.297-07:00</atom:updated><title>Just One Question</title><description>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PtMR8WNO1yM/SJc5jsdphnI/AAAAAAAAAX8/9Z4vzX0YR1I/s1600-h/Published-Front-Cover-IsThereSexInHeaven-8-3-08_0001.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5230712777607841394" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; CURSOR: hand" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PtMR8WNO1yM/SJc5jsdphnI/AAAAAAAAAX8/9Z4vzX0YR1I/s400/Published-Front-Cover-IsThereSexInHeaven-8-3-08_0001.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;If you could ask Jesus just one question, what would that question be? There is no doubt in my mind what that question would be for me because it is a question that has bothered me for thirty some years. In fact, to me, this question was so important that I recently published a book with that one question as the title. The one question I would ask Jesus, and in fact, have been asking Jesus for over thirty years now, is simply this: "Is there sex in Heaven?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although it is true that the majority of Christians dogmatically assert that Heaven is a sex-free zone reserved exclusively for celestial monks and nuns, there is, nevertheless, a sizable minority that believe there IS... or at least might be... lovemaking in the afterlife. For example, I personally have spoken with at least three different pastors right here in Columbus, Ohio who have informed me that they believe, like me, that there will be sex in the afterlife. Two of them are reformed pastors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Consider what Billy Graham had to say on Larry King Live:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;"If sex [in Heaven] is necessary for our fulfillment, it'll be there."&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my book, I devote a chapter to each of the top reasons why most people claim that there is no sexual intercourse beyond the grave, giving the pros and cons. Those reasons include:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. This question is unknowable&lt;br /&gt;2. This question is unimportant; we'll see when we get there&lt;br /&gt;2. We won't have physical bodies in Heaven&lt;br /&gt;3. We won't be male or female in the afterlife&lt;br /&gt;4. The Beatific Vision will be so spectacular that sex will no longer be important&lt;br /&gt;5. Since there won't be any breeding in Heaven, there will be no need for sex&lt;br /&gt;6. Since we'll be married to Jesus, sex would be sinful&lt;br /&gt;7. Sex is too earthly to be heavenly&lt;br /&gt;8. Jesus said there is no sex in Heaven. And since sex outside of marriage is always a sin, then there cannot possibly be sex in Heaven.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My position is that each of these assertions can easily be refuted. I will not take the time to do that here, but I have dealt with all of these claims extensively in my new book. For now, let me deal briefly with the claim that Jesus said there is no sex in Heaven. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;So did Jesus really rule out the possibility of lovemaking in the afterlife? The verse commonly quoted to support this claim is found in all three of the synoptic gospels. In Luke's gospel, Luke 20 verses 34 and 35, Jesus said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="color:#663366;"&gt;“The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in that age and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the logic seems as simple as &lt;strong&gt;ABC&lt;/strong&gt;. &lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;: There will be no marriage in the resurrection. &lt;strong&gt;B&lt;/strong&gt;: Sex outside of marriage is a sin. Therefore &lt;strong&gt;C&lt;/strong&gt;: There will not be sex in Heaven.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But notice closely; Jesus said nothing whatsoever about either sex or Heaven. The words "sex" and "Heaven" are not even used. Furthermore, the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;Sadducees&lt;/span&gt; who asked him the question which prompted his response were not even interested in whether or not there would be sex in Heaven. In fact, their main objective was to make Jesus look like a total dunce in front of the crowds because they did not believe that there was a such thing as a resurrection. They thought the scenario they cooked up about a woman with seven consecutive husbands would prove that only a fool could believe in a resurrection. Just imagine: a woman is resurrected along with her seven ex-husbands. Whose wife would she be? This question probably stumped the Pharisees and they thought they now had Jesus between a rock and a hard place. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;No such luck. Jesus used the story of Moses and the burning bush to make a case for the resurrection from the dead because the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;Sadducees&lt;/span&gt; only considered the first five books of the Bible authoritative.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Quoting Exodus, Jesus referred to God as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to make his case for a resurrection. Jesus said that God was not the God of the dead but the God of the living. "But how," you may ask, "did this story prove anything about a resurrection from the dead? Sure, Abraham is in Heaven, but he certainly isn't resurrected. Or is he? Furthermore, doesn't this contradict the biblical teaching that the resurrection from the dead is a future event that will not take place until the Second Coming when Christ returns?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a difficult puzzle. But I like puzzles. I guess that's why I like chess. I believe that all the pieces of this complex jigsaw puzzle fit together logically and &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;biblically&lt;/span&gt;. Hopefully, I have succeeded in the task of solving this puzzle during the course of writing my book. When understood properly, I do not believe there is any logical or biblical reason to rule out sex in Heaven. I do NOT believe Heaven is a sex-free monastery or a &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;celibate&lt;/span&gt; convent reserved exclusively for celestial monks and nuns.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;Preview new book &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3342841"&gt;Is There Sex In Heaven?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; for FREE. &lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3342841"&gt;CLICK HERE&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;The purpose of this site is to provide an interactive forum where Christians can dialogue and express their opinions on sexual ethics, regardless of what those opinions are.&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1347983019543188275-7729430237035908250?l=christianstalkingaboutsex.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://christianstalkingaboutsex.blogspot.com/2008/08/just-one-question.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Tom Gruber)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PtMR8WNO1yM/SJc5jsdphnI/AAAAAAAAAX8/9Z4vzX0YR1I/s72-c/Published-Front-Cover-IsThereSexInHeaven-8-3-08_0001.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1347983019543188275.post-2989356805293617708</guid><pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-07-31T08:17:05.434-07:00</atom:updated><title>Is There SEX In Heaven? A Biblical Case for Lovemaking in the Afterlife</title><description>&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;KEYWORDS&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christian sexual ethics, sex in afterlife, lovemaking in afterlife, sex in Bible, Bible teaching sex, is there sex in Heaven, swinging, C.S. Lewis, Augustine, Peter Kreeft, Billy Graham&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ARTICLE SUMMARY&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is There Sex In Heaven? Muslims say yes. Most Christians say no. Billy Graham says maybe. What’s the answer? Tom Gruber takes a provocative look at the “lovemaking in the afterlife” controversy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Is there sex in Heaven?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; Mormons and Muslims say yes. Most mainstream Christians say no. What’s the answer?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I’m reminded of a cartoon from a popular men’s magazine. Near the entryway at the Pearly Gates, a sign was prominently posted: WELCOME TO HEAVEN: YOUR ETERNAL SEX-FREE HOME! The new arrival was downcast. “What’s wrong?” Saint Pete asked. “I’m no monk,” the man replied. “Neither do I aspire to become one. Any chance of getting a one-way ticket to Hell instead?”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I’ll never forget that cartoon because it expressed exactly how I felt at the time. It was the swinging seventies. I was 25 and still a virgin. I had witnessed the woman of my dreams become the lawfully wedded wife of someone other than myself─not once, not twice, but three times. Love stunk! Isn’t it ironic?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The thought-provoking lyrics of a popular Tina Turner tune got my wheels turning in overdrive. I asked myself, “What DOES love got to do with it?” In my college days, I had turned down numerous sexual opportunities because I was saving myself for my wedding night. Now, I began to question the whole institution of marriage. Like Mae West, I had nothing against the institution; I simply didn’t feel ready to confine myself to an institution. So I dived headlong into the swinging scene. Since then, I’ve had some fantastic sex with hundreds of women. During most of this time, I felt like what I was doing was wrong, but I was having way too much fun to quit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then one fine day, in the cool of the evening, in the heat of a hot tub somewhere in a Sin City Swinger’s Club, a lady who claimed to be both a Christian and a Bible expert introduced me to the idea that swinging is not necessarily a sin. The things she was saying made sense. I wanted to believe her, but it went against the grain of everything I had been taught. Years later, after much thought, prayer, and research, I reached the conclusion that she was right. I enthusiastically proclaimed my newfound utopian ideology to anyone who would listen. Most Christians thought I was a heretical lunatic. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since then, I’ve refined my arguments. Most Christians still think I am a heretical lunatic. As a result, I’ve been bounced from one church group to another. I still may not be able to prove my position beyond a shadow of a doubt, but over the years, I have compiled an avalanche of compelling evidence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I’m now persuaded, beyond a reasonable doubt, that there is sex in Heaven. And although I am in a small minority, I’m not the only one. Several pastors here in Columbus, Ohio also believe in sex in the afterlife; two of them are reformed. According to Billy Graham, “People say that the Bible teaches there's no sex in Heaven. If sex is necessary for our happiness and fulfillment, it'll be there.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I’ve just published a new book through lulu.com entitled &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3342841"&gt;Is There SEX In Heaven? A Biblical Case for Lovemaking in the Afterlife. &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;In the book, I examine the main reasons why most Christians reject the idea of sex in the hereafter. Those reasons are:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;1. Arguments from apathy: wondering about sex in Heaven is irrelevant.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many, when asked if they believe in sex after death, give glib responses. “We’ll see when we get to Heaven!” Or, “We shouldn’t speculate on such things.”&lt;br /&gt;Although worrying about sex in Heaven─or worrying about anything, for that matter─is probably not the best use of one’s time, sex in Heaven is important because sex on earth is important; at least to most people. So it’s logical that people should have a natural curiosity about such things. But the dogma of many top theologians who insist that there cannot possibly be sex in Heaven has done much to squelch our natural curiosity. C.S. Lewis asserted that we are forbidden to even consider the possibility of sex in Heaven. In my judgment, such dogma has been a stumbling block and a source of great discouragement to countless multitudes. Lewis and others have often compared having sex with eating candy. Yet sex is way more important to the average adult than candy is to most kiddies; it’s not even in the same ballpark. In Chapter 1 of my book, I establish that even though answering our concerns about intercourse in the hereafter is not essential to us getting there, it is vital for other significant reasons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;2. The experts can’t be wrong.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Actually, sometimes experts are wrong; just look at church history. Augustine, regarded by many as the greatest Bible expert of all time, considered it sinful to enjoy sex─even if you’re married and are trying to make a baby. This is just one of many examples that could be given. We now live in a day and age where many people want to let the experts do their thinking for them. In fact, even some of the experts seem to want to let other experts do their thinking for them. Case in point: I cannot count the number of times I’ve heard people parrot the sexual opinions of C.S. Lewis without really thinking them through. Yes, Lewis was a great theologian. But, in my opinion, there were numerous flaws in his interpretations of sex in Heaven. Christians should not rule out heavenly coupling simply because the majority of Bible experts have taken that position. I don’t question the motives of any of those experts. I believe most of them are sincere. I respect them, and I agree with much of what they have to say. Nevertheless, no expert is omniscient or infallible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don’t mean to rain on the parade of all the so-called experts. But since I do find many fatal flaws in their arguments, for the greater good, I feel a responsibility to speak out. It’s understandable that many would take the word of these experts over someone like me. So in Chapter 2 of my book, I give examples of the dogma of a few experts, expose the holes in some of their logic, and explain why yours truly, Tom Gruber, is credible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;3. We won’t have sex in Heaven because we won’t have physical bodies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Two out of three Christians don't even believe that they will have physical bodies in the afterlife. It's difficult to imagine how it would be possible to have sex without having a physical body. Therefore, the purpose of Chapter 3 is to make a strong case for a physical, bodily resurrection of all believers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;4. We won’t have sex in Heaven because we’ll no longer be male and female.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even among those who do believe in a physical bodily resurrection, there are those who don't believe our resurrected bodies will be gender specific. In other words, even if we will still have physical bodies, many believe the possibility of sexual intercourse is ruled out because our resurrected physical bodies will no longer be male or female.&lt;br /&gt;In Chapter 4, I show that Galatians 3:28, which speaks of believers in Christ as being neither male nor female, is not referring to God making us androgynous in the afterlife. We will still be male and female in Heaven.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;5. An end of breeding necessitates an end of sex in Heaven.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Bible indicates that there probably won’t be any breeding going on in Heaven. Therefore, many have concluded there’s simply no point to having intercourse after we die. As Peter Kreeft puts it: “Earth is the breeding colony; Heaven is the homeland.” In Chapter 5, I demonstrate that an end to breeding does not necessitate an end of sex.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;6. The Beatific Vision rules out sex&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many believe that once we get to Heaven, we’ll be so enamored by the Beatific Vision that we won’t even care about sex. Although I’m certain that the Beatific Vision will be spectacular, in Chapter 6, I demonstrate that the idea that the Beatific Vision will somehow cause us to mystically lose all interest in sex is both illogical and unbiblical.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;7. Jesus said there is no sex in Heaven.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Actually, Jesus said no such thing; notwithstanding, many have interpreted His words this very way. The parallel accounts found in Matthew 22:23-33, Mark 12:18-27, and Luke 20:27-38 have been used to rule out the possibility of sex in Heaven more than all other passages in the Bible combined. In fact, they are the only passages of Scripture that even hint at the remote possibility that there may not be sex in Heaven. My task is to put these passages in their proper perspective, taking into account the cultural context within which they were written. By putting the words of Jesus under the electron microscope of rigid scrutiny, my job is to help the reader determine, as precisely as possible, what Jesus actually meant when He put the Sadducees in their place and proclaimed a cessation of marriage in the resurrection. Since the proper understanding of these passages is one of the main keys to answering our question concerning sex in the afterlife, much space is devoted in Chapter 7 to giving these words of our Lord proper consideration.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;8. A cessation of marriage in Heaven can only be understood biblically as an end to all sexual relations in the afterlife because all sex outside of marriage is, by definition, sinful─no exceptions.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scripture emphatically tells us that some sexual activities are sinful. Sexual sins of any variety are clearly denounced in the Word of God. Yet even though sex outside of marriage can be, and often is, sinful, it is, nevertheless, a misnomer to define sexual sin as being synonymous with all sex outside of marriage. The Bible gives us a few exceptions to this rule, which is erroneously regarded by some as a universal absolute. Levirate marriage and polygamy are considered, as well as the sexually seductive relationship between Tamar and Judah. This begs the question: What is sexual sin and why is it wrong? Chapter 8 explores that question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;9. Our marriage to Jesus rules out sex in Heaven.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since we’ll be married to Jesus in Heaven, many claim it would be sinful to simultaneously be married to anyone else, even a former spouse. In Chapter 9, I demonstrate that being married to Christ in no way makes it necessary to give up sex.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;10. Sex is too earthly to be heavenly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many believe sex is too dirty to carry over into Heaven. Someone once said, “Sex is dirty; so save it for someone you love.” On the flip side, others believe sex in Heaven is too good to be true. In Chapter 10, I argue that sex in Heaven is too good not to be true. Furthermore, an absence of sex in Heaven simply makes no earthly sense.&lt;br /&gt;Is there sex in Heaven? Since the Bible doesn’t answer this question directly, I cannot say for certain. However, as someone who has done extensive research on the subject, I believe a compelling case can be made for sex in Heaven. Giving up sex for lent is one thing; giving up sex for eternity is a hermeneutic of a different color.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;That's my opinion. What's yours?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ABOUT TOM GRUBER&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Author Tom Gruber writes on various topics relating to sexual ethics. His latest book is entitled &lt;em&gt;Is There Sex In Heaven?&lt;/em&gt; published through lulu.com Tom Gruber’s blog site is &lt;a href="http://www.christianstalkingaboutsex.com/"&gt;http://www.christianstalkingaboutsex.com/&lt;/a&gt;, which provides an interactive forum where Christians can express their opinions on a wide range of topics related to Christian sexual ethics. All thoughtful opinions are welcome! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:180%;color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;NEW BOOK!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3342841"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#990000;"&gt;Is There SEX In Heaven?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/commerce/index.php?fBuyContent=3342841"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Support independent publishing: buy this book on Lulu." src="http://www.lulu.com/services/buy_now_buttons/images/book_blue2.gif" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="WIDTH: 430px"&gt;&lt;object height="300" width="430"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://widget.meebo.com/mcr.swf?id=gUQdGDRDTU"&gt;&lt;embed width="430" src="http://widget.meebo.com/mcr.swf?id=gUQdGDRDTU" height="300" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;a class="mcrmeebo" href="http://www.meebo.com/rooms/" target="_BLANK"&gt;&lt;img id="SPELLING_ERROR_2" style="BORDER-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: 0px" height="45" alt="Create a span class=" src="http://www.blogger.com/" /&gt;Meebo&lt;/span&gt; Chat Room" src="http://widget.meebo.com/b.gif" width=430&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;The purpose of this site is to provide an interactive forum where Christians can dialogue and express their opinions on sexual ethics, regardless of what those opinions are.&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1347983019543188275-2989356805293617708?l=christianstalkingaboutsex.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://christianstalkingaboutsex.blogspot.com/2008/07/is-there-sex-in-heaven-biblical-case.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Tom Gruber)</author><thr:total>1</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1347983019543188275.post-2321764433973305031</guid><pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-07-31T08:20:31.125-07:00</atom:updated><title>Is There Sex In Heaven?</title><description>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:85%;"&gt;Description: Does the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bible&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; say &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Heaven&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; is sex-free? Should &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Christians&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; believe in &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;heavenly lovemaking&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; in the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;afterlife&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;I recently published a book entitled &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3342841"&gt;Is There SEX In Heaven?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; through lulu.com&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reason I wrote this book is because I was always taught that Heaven is a sex-free zone reserved exclusively for celestial monks and nuns. That was disturbing. Giving up sex for lent is one thing; giving up sex for eternity is a homiletic of an entirely different color.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I told a friend of mine that I was writing a book entitled &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3342841"&gt;Is There SEX In Heaven?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; He said, "I sure hope the answer is yes; otherwise, I wouldn't want to go there." I've heard others express similar sentiments. I, too, used to feel the exact same way for many years. But after doing my homework, I've come to the conclusion that most of the reasons most people give for a sex-free eternity do not hold water. That's because most of them are not even softballs; they're whiffle balls. Whiffle balls don't hold water.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;But there are a couple of objections that seem like hard balls... at first.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;Jesus said there is no sex in Heaven. (Actually, Jesus said no such thing. I explain what Jesus "really" said; and what Jesus meant in &lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3342841"&gt;my book&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;Sex outside of marriage is a sin; no exceptions. (Actually, the Bible does give us a few exceptions, which I also explain in &lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3342841"&gt;my book&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;I hope you'll check out &lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3342841"&gt;my book on sex in the afterlife&lt;/a&gt;. After all, eternity without sex is kinda like coffee without a doughnut.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;That's my opinion. What's yours?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:180%;color:#990000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;NEW BOOK!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/3342841"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#990000;"&gt;Is There SEX In Heaven?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.lulu.com/commerce/index.php?fBuyContent=3342841"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img alt="Support independent publishing: buy this book on Lulu." src="http://www.lulu.com/services/buy_now_buttons/images/book_blue2.gif" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="WIDTH: 430px"&gt;&lt;object height="300" width="430"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://widget.meebo.com/mcr.swf?id=gUQdGDRDTU"&gt;&lt;embed width="430" src="http://widget.meebo.com/mcr.swf?id=gUQdGDRDTU" height="300" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;a class="mcrmeebo" href="http://www.meebo.com/rooms/" target="_BLANK"&gt;&lt;img id="SPELLING_ERROR_2" style="BORDER-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: 0px" height="45" alt="Create a span class=" src="http://www.blogger.com/" /&gt;Meebo&lt;/span&gt; Chat Room" src="http://widget.meebo.com/b.gif" width=430&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;The purpose of this site is to provide an interactive forum where Christians can dialogue and express their opinions on sexual ethics, regardless of what those opinions are.&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1347983019543188275-2321764433973305031?l=christianstalkingaboutsex.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://christianstalkingaboutsex.blogspot.com/2008/07/is-there-sex-in-heaven.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Tom Gruber)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1347983019543188275.post-590194716982802187</guid><pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:55:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2008-07-26T13:05:04.398-07:00</atom:updated><title>Me In A Nutshell Verses Them In A Nutshell: Who's "REALLY" Nuts?</title><description>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Description:&lt;/strong&gt; Christian Sexual Ethics - Two opposite views are summarized: those of mainstream Christianity and those of the author.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;In this blog post, my goal is to articulate in broad brushstrokes, as precisely and concisely as possible, exactly what I believe regarding sexual ethics while simultaneously contrasting it with what Christianity at large currently believes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Christianity's Current View of Sex In a Nutshell&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;First, here is what most (though certainly not all) Christians believe about sexual ethics. God made Adam and Eve - not Adam and Steve, or Adam, Eve, and Betty - because He intended to establish monogamous heterosexual marriage and the nuclear family as the idealistic human lifestyle for humanity. Therefore, sex belongs exclusively within a marriage between one woman and one wife; everything else is a sin. Sex prior to marriage is defined as "fornication"; extramarital sex after tying the knot is "adultery." Thinking about either fornication or adultery is "lust." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;My View of Sex In a Nutshell&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;In sharp contrast with this view, here is what I believe. ADAM can refer to either the first man or mankind. EVE can also refer to either the first woman or EVEry woman, i.e. womankind. Therefore, the story of Adam and Eve is not only a story of one man and one woman, but it is also a story of humanity. Prior to The Fall, before our original parents ate the forbidden fruit, God intended mankind to be married to womankind. God's original desire was for every man to be married to every woman. Marriage, and therefore sex, was originally intended to be universally inclusive, not universally exclusive. Had Adam and Eve obeyed God, there would have been no need for most of the sexual restrictions found in the Bible.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;So what happened? I believe eating the forbidden fruit was a metaphor. As the Talmud says, and as many early Jews believed, I am persuaded that the sin of our original parents was this: they engaged in an orgy with Satan and his demons. After this happened, Adam and Eve became "like gods" by acquiring the ability to procreate offspring. This is one reason why sexual limitations needed to be imposed. Adam and Eve "adulterated" both themselves and the human race by having sex with the devil. After acquiring procreative capacities via sex, if God had allowed women of biblical times to have sex with everyone, there would have been no way of accurately determining who beget who.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;As for "fornication," I believe this term refers to the use of sex to worship idols, i.e. idolatry. This practice was common in both the Old and the New Testaments. Therefore, I believe that Sexual Utopia can be defined as many men expressing love to many women in a sexually responsible manner. I believe that polyamory, and to a certain extent perhaps swinging, can be a return to Eden. I have many reasons, beyond the scope of this blog post, to believe these things. However, as I promised, I have given you a precise, concise description of my position without launching into an elaborate dissertation. STAY TUNED, more elaboration on these points is coming to a blog spot near you.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;So that's my opinion. What's yours? There is a chat room below, as well as a comment button. Simply click on the comment button and tell me what you think.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="WIDTH: 430px"&gt;&lt;object height="300" width="430"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://widget.meebo.com/mcr.swf?id=gUQdGDRDTU"&gt;&lt;embed width="430" src="http://widget.meebo.com/mcr.swf?id=gUQdGDRDTU" height="300" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;a class="mcrmeebo" href="http://www.meebo.com/rooms/" target="_BLANK"&gt;&lt;img id="SPELLING_ERROR_2" style="BORDER-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: 0px" height="45" alt="Create a span class=" /&gt;Meebo&lt;/span&gt; Chat Room" src="http://widget.meebo.com/b.gif" width=430&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;The purpose of this site is to provide an interactive forum where Christians can dialogue and express their opinions on sexual ethics, regardless of what those opinions are.&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1347983019543188275-590194716982802187?l=christianstalkingaboutsex.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://christianstalkingaboutsex.blogspot.com/2008/07/me-in-nutshell-verses-them-in-nutshell.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Tom Gruber)</author><thr:total>1</thr:total></item></channel></rss>
